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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: lightfoot on September 07, 2011, 09:14 pm
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Pretty intriguing entry in the LSD section. Their story is that they are shipping direct from the lab - and yet they only want to ship tiny amounts at high prices.
Is this plausible?
Part of me says 'no way' - you claim to be synthing your own crystal and yet you only want to move 5-strips? Come on - sounds more like you've got a sheet you want to sell and make the best profit you can on and have cooked up this story just to yank up the price.
Part of me says 'why not?' - there must be plenty of chemists in the world with access to lab facilities who might want to cook just a little but not get involved with the bulk trade.
Anyone got any views or information?
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i would wait until we get some reviews on this stuff before ordering.
IMO- if it was from the lab he would not be charging asshat prices. i dont care what kind of acid you have, but if it is coming from the lab, it should be cheap. im not saying bulk prices cheap im saying, most he should charge is 20, and that is pushing it, especially if it is straight from the lab.
charging more then double of high street prices is just outrages and i wont advocate that.
i also wont buy because i have an issue with my coins being raped from me.
needlepoint or no needlepoint, most i would ever pay is 20 a tab. and that tab better be good.
my best guess is Lucy Sky Diamond is a middleman, who knows someone well connected with pure lsd.
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If I had an acid lab, I would CERTAINLY not tell that on my SR profile page.
And if I had an acid lab, I wouldn't sell 5 strips but sheets as MOQ because otherwise it's just too much of as hassle.
And if I had a lab I would knew something about the synth and such, which I doubt they do. But you can ask them easily, if they can give you good answers, this is something to consider.
I encourage someone with some time and a kind way of speaking to ask them some specific questions, i.e. if they used PoCl3, if they used hydrazine, what they used as precursor and where they got it from, how they lay the blotter and the best question:
Can they make you a custom blotter
I like acid sellers, but well - I don't like false claims to fool customers. I hope this clears up.
Much love, and have a nice evening.
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Edit: changed the post since I was way off. Have a bad day with all those scams. sorry.
Now, basically, I just wanted to state I doubt the seriousness of your claims, mainly because
- I looked into it myself. I know PoCl3 is not that gread and hydrazine neither. Still, C. purpurea seems good to use
- If it's that easy, why don't you or others make it? MDMA is pretty much on the production price level. You don't get it cheaper than 12$/g even if you buy in bulk, if you synth it yourself I doubt you get it much cheaper. If the LSD manufacture had more concurrence I doubt it would still cost like 5-10$ a hit.
- I never saw someone selling crystal LSD, basically, I couldn't make my own blotter nor source it (except if I bought liquid and used that, which is not really what I want). So you could make some good cash offering custom blotters if you knew those places ;)
You seem knowledgeable from other posts of yours, but still, I think these claims are way off and in reality a stereospecific synthesis of a fragile big organic molecule is no where as easy as baking a cake.
On the other hand, yeah. I think every LSD comes from some lab, so what is so special about their claim?
Whatever,
much love and blessings, and sorry if I sounded pretty off in the previous version of this post. As I said, got scammed big time and am kind off angry. Sorry, my dear fellow beings.
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Yeah, just changed my post, sorry.
I am pretty well read, thanks. I just was pretty bad in chemistry ;) No, seriously - I consider such a kitchen a lab as well, but this is definition.
Anyway, it's still not easy it seems, plus the latest claims from hofmann I can find still don't involve peptide couplers.
I realize these help a lot, and yeah - making MDMA is more steps! I know, but I still consider it easier to make MDMA than LSD. It's nothing stereospecific and MDMA itself is more distinct from unwanted products and precursors.
And well, I don't know if you don't make your acid or whatever, but I have reasons to doubt it. This is as much reasons as I may give away ;)
BTW, somehow I hate those discussions about L synth...
And PyBOP is something I know about, I shaked hands with Hardison. Anyway, you seem to know more about it than me. I will sleep now,
See you and have a nice day
M
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At those prices true needlepoint would be worth it to me for a 5 strip but for me it's not about reselling LSD or taking it every weekend. I take it once maybe twice a year on very special occasions. I use to have the str8 needlepoint connection and it's purity is worth it's price.
Might I introduce an offer of 1 time only first time buyers get a lower priced 5 strip as to introduce these guys to the needlepoint purity? I think it would be worth it in the long run to show all those complaining about price that have never had needlepoint it's magic.
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nomad bloodbath
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Thanks for all the replies.
I agree that if this is for real then it's a nice offer for occasional users.
I'm still trying to get at whether the story that these guys are telling is plausible.
It seems pretty clear, if you look at the details of what they say, that the story they want us to believe is that they have access to a professional chemistry lab (presumably a corporate or university lab) in which they are making relatively small amounts of acid (like a gram or two at a time, and not that often). Nothing else really makes sense in terms of what they are claiming and offering.
I don't find this impossible to believe - it all sounds pretty plausible really - my only question is: wouldn't anyone in such a situation find it just as easy to make 10g or 100g at time (in which case, why not sell bulk?). Or could it easily be the case that access to precursors etc. might work in such a way that it might be harder to make more than a couple of gs at a time without being detected? if the answer is 'yes - it might well prove easier to make just a couple of grams', then these guys have a plausible story for us. If the answer is 'no, any time you can make 1g, you can easily make 100g', then their story is not so plausible and it is more likely that they're just trying to sell of sheets they've bought at a huge profit...
Any more views on this?
Thanks.
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They said they wanted to keep the heat off of them by not becoming this highly talked about vendor.
If there are doubts on if it's of needlepoint quality I suggest they send out 3-4 trustworthy members slash mods that have had needlepoint and can valid their claim.
I can provide a list of several members i know for a fact knows the difference in needlepoint and silver, white champagne, lavender and so on.
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nomad bloodbath
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Oh I didn't realize that they had posted on the forum in August - thanks for that clue - I followed the trail of posts and the mystery is solved...
they don't have a lab. They are buying the same way over-priced liquid from a well-known online vendor that is also being resold (without escrow) by mantaray, and I guess they are dropping 3 drops each onto a blotter (it's 50ug / drop). This liquid has been hyped to fuck on more than one online forum recently - it's no doubt good stuff but almost certainly standard swiss crystal such as can be found on high-quality blotters like Mayan Calendars and in red-star microdots, and way more than anyone should normally expect to pay for a vial, needlepoint or not.
thanks for helping clear that up, anyway.
EDIT - to be fair to mantaray, that swiss-based liquid has been really fucking expensive on local European markets this year, so actually mantaray is NOT offering a bad deal. Would be really interested to hear if anyone has ordered a vial from mantaray successfully....I would actually pay the price they are asking. I've had the same stuff (pretty sure) IRL - 50ug swiss high-grade crystal, sold really pricey - and it is BEAUTIFUL, but v. expensive;.
:)
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Don't believe the price on the Dalai Lamas either, they are 200ug, same swiss labs.
Been all over europe all summer.
I know exactly where the lamas can from.
Shall i dare not speak his name...I won't but you LSD guys getting shit from him are over hyping and over pricing.
End of LSD on SilkRoad.
the Munchies, streetpharmacy, Joy and blooming color are the only LSD vendors that have the correct ug per tab listed that I know at the moment.
Believe me now of live in denial, your choice.
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nomad bloodbath
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all those "needlepoint" auctions are gone...hope those fuckers got banned
I think they got pissed, about which thing exactly idk.
Not banned.
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the Munchies and blooming color are the only two LSD vendors that will have the correct ug per tab listed. believe me now of live in denial, your choice.
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nomad bloodbath
streetpharmacy has Ganeshas listed as 100 ug... is the dose on those blotters actually lower than that?
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the Munchies and blooming color are the only two LSD vendors that will have the correct ug per tab listed. believe me now of live in denial, your choice.
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nomad bloodbath
streetpharmacy has Ganeshas listed as 100 ug... is the dose on those blotters actually lower than that?
Ooops no I forget streetpharmacy and Joy vend LSD and is correctly listed as well.
Let me edit my list.
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nomad bloodbath
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You are correct my nomad friend...
let's be clear...the swiss crystal is QUALITY: arguablyeven better than family needlepoint (never mind fluff) - just an incredibely smooth and lucid trip, and the dalai lamas are a clear 200ug for real. But that only makes it all the more pathetic to overhype them (it's like having the finest single malt whiskey to sell - then claiming that it will also give you super-powers).
Also I should modify my earlier claims: mantaray is actually selling that liquid (which originates from the same swiss labs, unless I am sorely mistaken) at a price which is competitive with what it has been selling for in local Western European markets. Sad but true. In the markets I know well, silver-based liquid has been going for more reasonable prices, and the fantastic swiss-laid blotters like the Dalai Lamas and Mayans have also been pretty affordable, but liquid made from the swiss crystal has been really fucking expensive. Pity it's only being sold out of escrow, but fuck - if you were shipping 700 bucks worth of acid to some stranger, you'd damn well want payment upfront as well, right? I don't see that anyone has actually bought any of mantaray's liquid but I think it could actually be a pretty sweet deal. And to be clear - I think Lucy in the Sky probably bought the liquid from Mantaray in the first place....
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all those "needlepoint" auctions are gone...hope those fuckers got banned
I think they got pissed, about which thing exactly idk.
Not banned.
Clearly they were embarrassed because they got rumbled.
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i was seriously considering mantarays vial but kinda sketched out about the non-escrow thing. he has great ratings but they're not for lucy and honestly most buyer ratings rate purely on whether or not product arrived or not. as much as you'd want money up front to ship $700 worth of liquid acid, a buyer would just as well want to know he's getting exactly what's being advertised. not that i don't think he's legit, it's just a relatvely big purchase.
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I got some of the calenders from Redgreen, and yeah they were amazing. I hadn't done anything for years and the last ones were alleged hoffmans which after these I doubt if they were legit or if they were, were handled poorly etc. The calenders, yeah are a legit 200ug, and I will say it was some of the smoothest if not the smoothest, of the L I have had the good grace to sample. One question I do have about the lama's if anyone can answer is how big is the blotter, and is it double sided? Because as I mentioned in an earlier post, I order some stuff from a seller who was selling the lamas, but bought shiva's got 3 shiva's and yeah some big blotter single sided, redish and a few other colors, didn't feel like holding it up to the light or some shit.. just put it in my storage....=P .. Any help is appreciated.
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Don't believe the price on the Dalai Lamas either, they are 200ug, same swiss labs.
Been all over europe all summer.
I know exactly where the lamas can from.
Shall i dare not speak his name...I won't but you LSD guys getting shit from him are over hyping and over pricing.
End of LSD on SilkRoad.
the Munchies, streetpharmacy, Joy and blooming color are the only LSD vendors that have the correct ug per tab listed that I know at the moment.
Believe me now of live in denial, your choice.
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nomad bloodbath
This is good to know. My already very high respect level for Bloomingcolor in particular just went up a notch.
And I would like to say that I for one have never tried NP, but if it's as pure as what people say then I'd be willing to shell out extra to try it. Nothing wrong with paying for quality.
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I guess there is no harm in giving out what I 'know' about that mantaray liquid. Warning however - my evidence is all circumstantial, and I could be totally wrong. But I'm not.
A very well known vendor on The Farmers Market forum was selling this stuff for a few months - I even think that the advertising blurb used by mantaray is just copied from that site. He was selling exactly this (200x 50ug drops of 'needlepoint', shipped from US but sourced from EU - I think he said it was Swiss). He was selling it for 600 / vial.
TFM recently went through this process (which has been discussed here before) whereby they invited only their best-known customers onto a private forum and some of the vendors (including the guy in question) went over to selling exclusively there. I never bought anything on TFM, and I wouldn't normally pay that kind of money for a vial, so I didn't get invited onto the new forum so I don't have any contact with the guy.
Mantaray ships everything else from the EU but this vial ships from US. I think it's pretty obvious that he's just a middleman on this particular deal, which presumably is being actually shipped to any SR customers directly by the vendor from TFM, while mantaray just taking a $100.00 cut for playing this role.
Thing is this all seems perfectly fair to me. TFM guy doesn't want to vend public - that's his prerogative. 100 bucks is a fairly modest cut for mantaray to take, given that the product retails at 600 to begin with. The TFM vendor in question has a rock-solid rep even if he is no saint when it comes to prices, and in terms of ug/$ this is actually by far the best deal anyone is offering for Lucy on SR (7 dollars for a 100ug hit of np - by SR standards that is a great deal).
So actually I would really encourage people to go for this.
In no way do I just want someone else to take the risk first and test it out for me ;)
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Interesting......very interesting.
I would love to have a vial of np but only have enough for half right now. :-(
but I can dream. :-)
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If the mantaray liquid really is needlepoint from this trusted TFM source, could we arrange some kind of group buy here on SR? If 10 people ante up $80 each, the organizer (who should obviously be very trustworthy) could send mantaray his $700, get the vial, apply it to blotter, send out ten packages, and pocket $100 for his trouble. Or even $200 if 10 people pay $90 each. That would be $9 per needlepoint hit for the buyers. Is there a trustworthy person who could do this? If there is, I'd like to be first in line. ;D
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I guess there is no harm in giving out what I 'know' about that mantaray liquid. Warning however - my evidence is all circumstantial, and I could be totally wrong. But I'm not.
A very well known vendor on The Farmers Market forum was selling this stuff for a few months - I even think that the advertising blurb used by mantaray is just copied from that site. He was selling exactly this (200x 50ug drops of 'needlepoint', shipped from US but sourced from EU - I think he said it was Swiss). He was selling it for 600 / vial.
TFM recently went through this process (which has been discussed here before) whereby they invited only their best-known customers onto a private forum and some of the vendors (including the guy in question) went over to selling exclusively there. I never bought anything on TFM, and I wouldn't normally pay that kind of money for a vial, so I didn't get invited onto the new forum so I don't have any contact with the guy.
Mantaray ships everything else from the EU but this vial ships from US. I think it's pretty obvious that he's just a middleman on this particular deal, which presumably is being actually shipped to any SR customers directly by the vendor from TFM, while mantaray just taking a $100.00 cut for playing this role.
Thing is this all seems perfectly fair to me. TFM guy doesn't want to vend public - that's his prerogative. 100 bucks is a fairly modest cut for mantaray to take, given that the product retails at 600 to begin with. The TFM vendor in question has a rock-solid rep even if he is no saint when it comes to prices, and in terms of ug/$ this is actually by far the best deal anyone is offering for Lucy on SR (7 dollars for a 100ug hit of np - by SR standards that is a great deal).
So actually I would really encourage people to go for this.
In no way do I just want someone else to take the risk first and test it out for me ;)
Thanks. Like I said I'd actually be interested in this. Wonder if Manta would confirm. Also notice that paypal would be accepted and if it's domestic I wonder if greendot might be a viable option.
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I doubt manta is going to come on here and outright admit in public that this is how it is - my guess from how these things usually work is that neither he nor the TFM guy will mind too much if some accurate and basically-supportive speculation goes on here, but they won't want to come out and say openly that this is what is happening. It's just not the done thing to discuss your sources openly like that.
I suggest you PM manta about it. But I doubt he will give you any more details than to say that his post is accurate and that it comes from a trusted source in the US.
For what it's worth I checked manta's listing again and it is indeed most definitely copy-pasted from the original TFM post: although I guess for all I know that itself was copied from some super-secret private forum post written by whoever is supplying the TFM guy
It's not important really; what matters is that the claims are credible on several levels, because liquid matching that description and in that price range has been around both Europe IRL and the US-centered online scene pretty openly over the past 6 months or so. Also, apparently the couple of people who actually bought the blotters that 'Lucy Sky Diamond' AKA agent47 were making from that same liquid were actually happy with them (so why didn't LSD /A47 just say 'we got some shit hot liquid and will sell you a few drops on a blotter for $30.00 a pop'? why all that bullshit about having a lab and 'unlimited quantities of needlepoint and fluff? Jeez...)
Anyway the point is I don't think mantaray is going to be in a position to give you any more concrete assurance than insisting that his post is accurate. And anyway - if mantaray is a scammer then I've created a fantastic cover story for him and he's not gonna deny it if that's the case, is he? So if you ask him and he says - 'yeah what Lightfoot said is all true', then that in itself will not prove anything. So I don't think there is any more certain way to ascertain if this is true than just to try it out now, I'm afraid.
Actually if I was buying from him, what I would really want to know about is how certain he can be that the liquid is in stock and will ship in good time once payment is made - given that he obviously isn't holding or shipping it himself, these seem like the important questions to ask him. But questions like that should be by PM, encrypted - not on a forum like this.
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someone sprung for a vial....left 5 of 5 and praised the product
Forum feedback to follow?
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My friend bought and received the vial. He was definitely worried about it but it only took a week to get here and he tried it last night. Very good stuff. He said that it seemed to come on really easily. At first he thought it was weak because he barely noticed the trip starting, and then a little bit later he was out of his mind. On another note, would it be a good idea for him to store this in the freezer for long term storage? It's in distilled water so I guess it will freeze. Would that be a bad thing?
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Your friend should re read the listing......
"* Store in the refrigerator. Since the solution is distilled water, some people say that the freezing/unfreezing process destroys some of the chemical so you might not want to put it in the freezer. *"
Tell us more too. Did he only take 1 drop or did he do 2? do tell please...
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Yes your speculation is right I don't physically have the vials but those will be shipped from a reliable source. I feel like i'm a better person for "supplying lsd" altough i'm just being a greedy bastard making mad money :)(not rly). But I would want 1gram of acid so I could lay some acid, could die happily after that~ :)
If I had some money I would buy a vial and sell hits of it for decent price. But again i'm not scamming the money even if I can't afford for the vial myself. Today send payment for 3 another vials they should expect to receive it before 21th day of this month~ Hope to get some nice feedback and review on that acid.
I have tested needlepoint my self and it's very awesome. If what I tested wasn't needlepoint I can't imagine what the fuck could be needlepoint?
I think acid is atleast cure for the humankind & cure for heartache, maybe acid is so awesome we could be friends with aliens with help of ACiD :D
I need to lift my limits on paypal soon. But after that I can do 200ug worth of needlepoint blotters for $50 from uk. I know it's a lot but hey it's atleast better than going to the movies 5 times right?
Also vials shipped from UK, $825/vial. Bulk buys cheaper.
Or you could make a group buy 1 vial. some1 "most trusted" :D receive all the payments, then send to me, i'll order vial for myself and send the acid in blotters or in gummibears :3 / sugar cubes. I would do the shipping from my pocket but I would keep the rest of the vial :)
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hey mantaray, are joot and jub aware of what you are doing here? no need to answer, i'll ask them myself.
$50 for 200ug NP, which you are buying for a max of 16.50 as sugar cubes? As you know the blotters are only going to be 50ug. $825 for what you are buying at 625 is a good cut for a middleman who never owns or even sees the goods.
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hey mantaray, are joot and jub aware of what you are doing here? no need to answer, i'll ask them myself.
$50 for 200ug NP, which you are http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/Smileys/default/sad.gifbuying for a max of 16.50 as sugar cubes? As you know the blotters are only going to be 50ug. $825 for what you are buying at 625 is a good cut for a middleman who never owns or even sees the goods.
Have you even bought from tfm? Notice there is 20% paypal fee. thats $720. If thats too much then why not sell cheaper.
Who says you couldn't sell your items that you bought ? Like you would use the vial yourself anyways? Joot confirms the shipment on 3different adress.. But thx for speculation.
Also not sugar cubes, I said blotters. 200ug worth of blotters. Please don't come up with pointless speculation.
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hey mantaray, are joot and jub aware of what you are doing here? no need to answer, i'll ask them myself.
$50 for 200ug NP, which you are http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/Smileys/default/sad.gifbuying for a max of 16.50 as sugar cubes? As you know the blotters are only going to be 50ug. $825 for what you are buying at 625 is a good cut for a middleman who never owns or even sees the goods.
Have you even bought from tfm? Notice there is 20% paypal fee. thats $720. If thats too much then why not sell cheaper.
Who says you couldn't sell your items that you bought ? Like you would use the vial yourself anyways? Joot confirms the shipment on 3different adress.. But thx for speculation.
Also not sugar cubes, I said blotters. 200ug worth of blotters. Please don't come up with pointless speculation.
maybe you should read the terms again... also, you know what we think of paypal and if you are not clever enough to use payment options that aren't affected by the 20% surcharge, that's not our fault.
no speculation on my side, that has been done enough in this thread already... Just a word of advise, those who play with fire, usually get burned.
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maybe you should read the terms again... also, you know what we think of paypal and if you are not clever enough to use payment options that aren't affected by the 20% surcharge, that's not our fault.
no speculation on my side, that has been done enough in this thread already... Just a word of advise, those who play with fire, usually get burned.
I think you read the rules wrong.
Yeah i'm not "clever enough" to use payment system of 0% fee. What do you mean by fire?
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Hmm.. If I understand this right the needlpoint LSD from Lucy Sky Diamond is the same as the Lamas?
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For what it's worth I checked manta's listing again and it is indeed most definitely copy-pasted from the original TFM post: although I guess for all I know that itself was copied from some super-secret private forum post written by whoever is supplying the TFM guy
Very interested to see & join this super-secret private forum. :D
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the Munchies, streetpharmacy, Joy and blooming color are the only LSD vendors that have the correct ug per tab listed that I know at the moment.
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nomad bloodbath
thanks nomad :D
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Hmm.. If I understand this right the needlpoint LSD from Lucy Sky Diamond is the same as the Lamas?
I'm thinking not after having a lengthy discuss with Lucy Sky Diamond.
I don't think the lamas are needlepoint but might but are not 300ug a tab but 200ug and overpriced, unless you are buying artwork.
You want 300ug acid take two of the red lotus needlepoint: http://ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/8556
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nomad bloodbath
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2 red lotus sounds like the makings for quite a trip....but at $30 a tab??? That is pure madness.......
Gone are the days.....
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Hmm.. If I understand this right the needlpoint LSD from Lucy Sky Diamond is the same as the Lamas?
I'm thinking not after having a lengthy discuss with Lucy Sky Diamond.
I don't think the lamas are needlepoint but might but are not 300ug a tab but 200ug and overpriced, unless you are buying artwork.
You want 300ug acid take two of the red lotus needlepoint: http://ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/8556
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nomad bloodbath
Thanks.
I hope not, I tried the Lama's and didn't like them.
Found this thread after placing an order.. I don't mind the price if its real needlepoint.
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$11 a hit for 5 strip of White Fluff. US Only.
That's my suggestion, but a 300ug trip would still cost...$33, but not $60 for 300ug of the needlepoint.
http://ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/8137
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nomad bloodbath
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I know you just try to maintain order and keep some sort of sanity Nomad....you don't set prices. I've taken my share of LSD but have never known the ultimate source so who's to say if I've ever had needle point...white fluff..or all the other grades/names. Some was better than others.....most all was pretty decent. I stayed away from the brown acid. lol
Should we just be happy that it is still out there? Y E S
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Yes i agree...I'm done with this post unless needed...:D
nomad bloodbath
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Hmm.. If I understand this right the needlpoint LSD from Lucy Sky Diamond is the same as the Lamas?
I'm thinking not after having a lengthy discuss with Lucy Sky Diamond.
I don't think the lamas are needlepoint but might but are not 300ug a tab but 200ug and overpriced, unless you are buying artwork.
You want 300ug acid take two of the red lotus needlepoint: http://ianxz6zefk72ulzz.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/8556
:D
nomad bloodbath
Thanks.
I hope not, I tried the Lama's and didn't like them.
Found this thread after placing an order.. I don't mind the price if its real needlepoint.
Lama's are the best ones out there atm (along with the Mayans), I think you've tried a fake or licked one...
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Lama's are the best ones out there atm (along with the Mayans), I think you've tried a fake or licked one...
They are very potent yes, but that doesn't mean it's pure.
I've bought them from juergen.
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Lama's are the best ones out there atm (along with the Mayans), I think you've tried a fake or licked one...
They are very potent yes, but that doesn't mean it's pure.
I've bought them from juergen.
I don't know what juergen has/had (and also I don't like vendors claiming something is 1.5 times stronger then it really is, eg. 300 mics not 200), but the Dalai I had from a very reputabe source gave me the cleanest and most profound psychedelic experience I've ever had. And yes, it was super clean.
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just fyi
The next sheet I will get will be St. Albert (Alex Grey). My source is pretty certain these will be the next. They are dosed with at least 150µg per blotter but the price will be the same as the Ganeshas, I just need to purchase more at a time.
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Very interested. Streetpharmacy please keep us updated ;)
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A seller named Smilebit is now also offering vials of liquid lucy. Can anyone vouch for him/her?